he called washington and he called paris and we whiled with him headed toward jamaica. him and his wife and american citizen, american born that had been abducted by the bush administration with the collaboration and involvement of power and condolezza rice. the congressional black caucus on all of these things. on the haiti issue as well as the south africa issue was soiltdly on the right side of the issue. >> host: what about the black political class in general as bruce mentioned in our call? >> guest: i think the -- the bigger problem -- the bigger problem is an american problem. and that is that most americans don't know very much about these issue. you -- we're justice not knowledgeable. you can't have a healthy democracy without a very enlightened citizen i are. i'm not sure that we know enough about what we are doing in the world. if we are generally well read enough. if we are connected to the out world in a way that would give us to believe that people on the outside see us differently than we see ourselves. they know in america we don't know. and so i think t